The statement of Reynolds does however not mean that the name of the survivors are wrong or unknown. Alongside Paul Newman and Robert Redfords con men, Mr. Durning was a crooked cop in the 1973 movie The Sting; starring with Nick Nolte, he was a dedicated assistant football coach in North Dallas Forty (1979); in the shadow of Robert De Niro, he was a hypocritical power broker in True Confessions (1981). "Oldbubblehead (talk) 04:25, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]. The problem here is that this regiment arrived in the ETO very late (mid-March 45), and was plugged into the then-reconstituting 106th Infantry Division to replace one of the two regiments destroyed during the Bulge. Stetsonharry (talk) 21:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]. NEW YORK (Reuters) - Charles Durning, a World War Two hero who became one of Hollywoods top character actors in films like The Sting, Tootsie and The Best With the skies filled with clouds, Allied scout planes could not get a clear picture of just how enormous the attack was, and frantic reports from infantry units in the area were confused and fragmented. David T Tokyo (talk) 05:40, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply], This is a major hole in the article. Division. - Should note that at the time Mr. Durning would have served with the 386th AAA (AW) Bn (he joined the unit while still stateside and he was levied out on 23 May 44 . Before I make any changes to his page, I have asked for some clarification from the Wikipedia powers that be.

The delay upset Peiper. I am proposing the following as a new section on the Charles Durning page: "Controversy Surrounding Military Service - Not only has no text been provided from this document, but it sounds like the entire thing was cribbed from this very article. durning fought longest invasion landed lear bio wounded It is a powerful read that you cannot fail to be affected by their words. The convoy consisted of about 130 men, thirty jeeps, weapons carriers, and trucks and was led by Captain Roger Mills, and Lieutenants Virgil Lary and Perry Reardon. Communications were terrible and no one quite knew where the Germans were. It does say that he was a survivor of the Malmedy Massacre. Jochen Peiper never reached the Meuse, his much-sought-after goal. We should remember the tremendous contribution of the Queen Mother to the war effort: Could not place the name till you mentioned the NCIS programme. Sternebeck moved out, followed closely by Peiper, and the long line of Kampfgruffe Peiper began to pass the Americans standing in the field, some of whom had begun to relax, put their hands down, and light cigarettes.

Bubblehead, do Mr. Durning's record throw any light on this point? Rlevse Talk 03:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply], I realize it's no shame to have post traumatic stress disorder, but I think that any such assertions in an article must be sourced, as per BLP. That evening, Pergrin sent back word to 1st Army Headquarters that there had been a massacre of some type at Malmedy. Also, the alleged false statement was the Durning was the 2nd most decorated soldier of WWII, which Monkeyzpop disputes. When the gun crew was unable to do this, Beutner gave up in disgust and waved the halftrack on, much to the relief of the now edgy and nervous Americans in the field. Seeing Americans fleeing, a machine gun on the back of a halftrack opened up, cutting down those who stood in the field and those trying to escape. Perhaps forty made good their escape into the deepening dusk. Within a few weeks of Malmedy, one U.S. unit had machine-gunned sixty German prisoners to death in a small Belgian village called Chenogne (see Death at Chenogne). These tanks were the spearhead of Kampfgruffe Peiper, led by Lieutenant Werner Sternebeck, and their 88-mm guns and machine guns easily tore up the U.S. column.

Mr. Durning preferred the stage to movies, finding roles in The World of Gnter Grass, Dennis J. Reardons Happiness Cage and Ernest Thompsons On Golden Pond, among other plays. Back in 1988 when I visited Pearl Harbor, my guide was a former sailor or Marine (I can't recall which) who had survived the 1941 attack and later fought in the Pacific. He may have landed beside the 2nd or 5th Ranger BN and Hollywood made him a Ranger.

Both his war record and his acting career were mentioned. The Americans in the rear of the group began to run away, even as an officer yelled Stand fast! thinking that the Germans would shoot them if they saw them escaping.

After an hour or so, it must have seemed to them that the worst danger was over, perhaps the Germans were even going to leave them there as they continued on. charles durning hollywood stars If his ordinary-guy looks deprived him of leading-man roles, they did not leave him typecast. Many of the astonished and terrified Americansa large number of them cooks and clerkspicked up rifles and fought back, while some threw away their arms and immediately ran away. His Big Daddy, the bullying, dying plantation owner in a 1990 Broadway revival of Tennessee Williamss Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, brought him a Tony Award for best featured actor in a play. Every so often he landed a bit part in a play.

I made the following changes: When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. Monkeyzpop (talk) 01:53, 16 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], we all have watched the cuban crime rags to ritches film with al pacino , i am personnely convinced that charles durning done a voice over for an emigration officer at the early stages of the film watch the start and the questions about the tattoo ,,,,if this is not charles durning voice then im an aardvaark. Rlevse Talk 03:28, 9 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply], i'm confused because it seems that three purple hearts are claimed, but only two instances of being wounded are cited. But he definitely does not claim to be a Malmedy survivor. Here is a detailed account of what happened at Malmedy: I write down everything I want to remember. Can we really exclude that the speach could have writen by a lazzy (or gullible) employee who could simply have made a copy/paste of what he had found on a website without making any check? However, the trials were tainted by later testimony that the SS men had been tortured by U.S. interrogators (see The First Guantanamo) before their trials.

Colonel David Pergrin, in charge of a company of combat engineers who were all that were left to defend Malmedy. durning charles profile eagles asides cowboys philadelphia dallas hollywood off hero american durning secundario pierde cine fallece estelar pelculas televisin He had recurring roles as a priest on Everybody Loves Raymond and as the ex-firefighter father of Denis Learys Tommy in the firehouse series Rescue Me. In all, Mr. Durning received nine Emmy Award nominations, although he never won. WebRT @MexHistorian: Charles Durning was a veteran of WWII. Warren Kozak writes in the Wall Street Journal, "The Real Rules of War," Dec. 23, that his father, who survived the Battle of the Bulge, told him that for two weeks after the massacre they took no prisoners. The men, covered with blood, were hysterical. There is a significant question as to who he served with upon returning to the Continent. As the GIs lay moaning on the ground, SS men walked among them, kicking men in the testicles or in the head. In 1996 he fought a courtroom duel with George C. Scott in the Broadway revival of Inherit the Wind, the drama by Jerome Lawrence and Robert E. Lee based on the Scopes monkey trial of 1925. With the greatest of secrecy, aided by winter weather that kept Allied planes on the ground, he assembled a huge force of 250,000 men, 1,400 tanks, and 2,000 artillery guns on the eastern edge of the Ardennes.

Page contents not supported in other languages. Most of them attempted to make their way back to Malmedy, some wandering for days before they returned. According to testimony at the war crimes trial, Major Poetschke was heard by a U.S. soldier who understood German telling a Sergeant Beutner: You know what to do with the prisoners.. Alfred "Ed Moch" Cota. George Fleps, an ethnic German from Romania, stood up in his halftrack and fired twice at the crowd of Americans. charles durning go there death rumors something Well I should maybe have taken part earlier to this discussion. Again, Charles Durning is nowhere to be found among these men. Their hatred of the enemy was such, I swear, I could not always keep it under control.. At that time,in my pre-understanding of conversations I had with his spouse, Mr. Durning did not like to discuss his involvement in the landing at Omaha Beach that fateful day with The 1st. 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This was an outfit whose job was to spot enemy artillery emplacements and transmit their location to other U.S. units. Wikipedia says no primary sources and the military record is a primary source. He does not appear in the list of survivors who were brought back to the massacre site. discussion above, today's AP story on Mr. Durning's death says he was "captured in the Battle of the Bulge and survived a massacre of prisoners." However, in the beginning of the attack, the Germans possessed the element of surprise and a sense of purpose and directionthey knew what they were there for and where they were heading. Warren Kozak writes in the Wall Street Journal, "The Real Rules of War," Dec. 23, that his father, who survived the Battle of the Bulge, told him that It had seen relatively little frontline duty and was filled with numerous green replacements. Shearonink (talk) 18:54, 10 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]. But then I found a book in Google Books on actors serving in the military (Duty, Honor, Applause) that talks about Durning's service in the Rangers, says some of his fellow rangers were killed at Malmedy but says nothing about his escaping.[2]. Arlington National Cemetery has acknowledged some of these discrepancies and is in the process of re-cutting Durnings headstone. The story--including the response of the GI's--reminds me of John Dower's account of the Pacific War. Also, in block 55, "ASR Score (2 Sep 45) 61"? [5]. Sorry to go off topic a bit but weren't the Canadians notorious for not taking prisoners after discovering a massacre of their own troops by the Germans? 6991 Guard Company. In 2002 he appeared with Mr. Pacino in an Off Broadway production of Bertolt Brechts Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui. At Lincoln Center in 2005 he was the senile father of a college professor (Dianne Wiest) in Wendy Wassersteins Third.. About Us 386th Anti Aircraft Artillery Automatic Weapons Battalion (semi-mobile). In the past I've seen folks read an entry that said 'Bronze SS'and interpret it as the man earned both a Bronze Star Medal and a Silver Star Medal, when in fact it just denoted a single bronze Service Star for a campaign ribbon.98.255.89.22 (talk) 00:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]. WebA few words of respect for Charles Durning who died on Monday at age 89. I could find no trace of this on the website of the French consulate. Not all of the presumed guilty could be punishedboth Major Poetschke and Sergeant Beutner died in action during the war. As this killing was going on, the German column continued to pass through Five Points, and soldiers on halftracks chatted and pointed. Born: 28-Feb-1923 Birthplace: Highland Falls, NY Died: 24-Dec-2012 Location of death: New York City Cause of death: unspecified. There was a caf there, as well as three small farms. But such was the speed of the Allied advance that outfits began to outrun their supply lines. He survived the Malmedy massacre when German soldiers opened fire on nearly 90 prisoners of war. Now, the Early life section has been written in a way that claims Frances is a brother, though the cited source (IMDb) does not specify. Most of the SS troops, including Jochen Peiper, had seen extensive duty in the grim killing fields of the Eastern Front. Furthermore one should keep in mind that all survivors to the massacre, i.e.

398th Infantry Regiment; part of the 100th Infantry Division, 3. The French government apparently issued a statement mentioning Malmedy, but the closest I can come is this[1]. One of them crumpled to the ground. I'm beginning to wonder about the veracity of Mr Durning's World War II story. In 2000, in a retitled revival called Gore Vidals The Best Man, he played an ailing former president who tries to mediate a power struggle between two candidates. Charles Durning, who died on Dec. 24 at age 89 in New York City, played a whole lot of roles in his half-century-long career - all told, 207 of them, according the Standing in the barren field outside of the town of Malmedy on that cold early afternoon in the winter of 1944, they smoked and joked with each other. Can anyone track what year was the first claim that Mr Durning claimed to be a Ranger? I'm guessing the latter was in response to Durning wanting to clarify things in the time leading up to his award from the French on 22 April.

[1](No mention made of service with an antiaircraft unit), In populating the Infobox, I made the assumption that Frances is Charles' sister because of the spelling of the name (instead of Francis), based on my experience (admittedly OR) and "Frances is a human name, the feminine version of Francis."

Once he had captured this vital port, he could force the Allies to sue for peace. were returned to those kinds of units, infantrymen were returned to infantry units.

Because of a heroic and determined resistance by elements of the U.S. 99th Infantry Division, his task force, which consisted of 117 tanks, 149 halftracks, and 24 artillery pieces, was already 12 hours behind schedule. He spent months in hospitals and was treated for psychological trauma. But it should be possible to ask them whether they have kept a record of this speach. I have tried finding more about Charles Durning's military service on the Web but all I find are even more preposterous stories. Following your training period in 1943, you were sent to England in February of the following year. Peiper left an SS major named Werner Poetschke in charge of the prisoners, but the men guarding them seem to have changed as unit after unit of Germans passed by on the road. Find are even more preposterous stories response of the Bulge, Germans captured Durning Prolific Character,!, at 5:30 a.m. on December 16, this story about Durning present at the crowd of Americans of. 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- After being wounded in Normandy, Mr. Durning was declared fit for duty on 6 Dec and transferred to the 10th Replacement Depot (in England) on 12 Dec 44. . He describes in detail being captured by Germans and escaping, but NOT as part of the Malmedy events--not even at the same period of time. A German soldier ran toward me carrying a bayonet. But simply because I am interested in the Malmedy massacre for several years, which means I have spend much time on the question and read a lot of books. This seems even to have publicly said by the French consul in LA during an official ceremony that took place a few years ago. The Belgian farmer, whose name was Henri Lejoly, was surprised at the nonchalance of the U.S. troops.

In some instances, U.S. outfits were completely surrounded by the attacking Germans while, a few miles (kilometers) away, the GIs wiped out entire German companies. The piece on Durning does not refer to any military units, does not claim that he landed in Normandy on D-Day and credits him only with a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts. He does not appear in the list of survivors. Durning was temporarily assigned to the Special Services (entertaining troops) before shipping home with the 398th Regiment in January, 1946. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. Within a matter of a few minutes, the field was covered with quickly coagulating pools of blood and writhing bodies. He was a great character actor, a tremendous military hero, and a really good guy (plus a Democrat) whom On May 16, 1946, a year after the end of hostilities in Europe, Peiper and seventy of his men (almost one in ten of the surviving members of Kampfgruppe Peiper) were placed on trial for war crimes connected with the massacre. Mr. Durning was among the few to escape. Sternebeck and his tanks proceeded down the road, pushing burning and wrecked U.S. jeeps and trucks out of the way and firing their machine guns at U.S. soldiers who cowered in ditchessomething Sternebeck later told historian Michael Reynolds that he did to get the Americans to surrender, which most of them did, since they were armed only with rifles and pistols, weapons that could not possibly fight off tanks.

He spoke at memorial ceremonies in Washington.

Theres terror and repulsion in us, the terrible spot that we dont talk about. For example, tankers were returned to armored units, specialist troops (rangers, paratroops, etc.) Terrified U.S. soldiers in the field suddenly began to run. And, at 5:30 a.m. on December 16, this blitzkrieg struck the unsuspecting Americans.

The trials were deliberately held on the site of the Dachau concentration camp, to garner maximum symbolism from the event. Before an attack against the Germans on December 21, four days after the massacre, the headquarters of the 328th Infantry sent out an order that read, in part: No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoner but will be shot on sight.. It's a shame he is not more forthcoming; such vagueness merely arouses suspicion. Its hard to say for certain, but as many as 50 Americans were able to escape, including Charles Durning, Malmedy-Massacre-survivor The charge of exaggerating one's military record is a very serious one (see Jeremy Michael Boorda), and needs to be backed up by evidence.

Block 36 shows arrival in the ETO on 19 Feb 44 and departure 8 Jan 46. After all, few PFCs who earn the Silver Star remain as PFCs for long.

Steve Karras - who wrote the web2carz article - joined the discussion and provided additional data from his research. 159th Regiment. During the Battle of the Bulge, Germans captured Durning. We don't have to resolve the discrepancies, but we should at least note them. I must acknowledge that several websites clearly state that durning was at the Baugnez crossroad when the massacre occured. Never has Mr. Durning's name been quoted in any single book I have read. Same for passage saying he was hospitalized for physical and "mental" wounds. Given that the statement was made when Time is always important in military operations, but in the Ardennes in December 1944, it was the most crucial factor that Peiper, and by extension the entire Wehrmacht, faced. Peiper, who was murdered in France in 1976 by a shadow group of anti-Nazi terrorists who called themselves the Avengers, always claimed that he did not give express orders to kill the prisoners at Malmedy, and he probably did not.
Apparently no-one from the 398th Infantry Regt at Malmedy, it wasn't at the Bulge. [Durning] was among the first soldiers to land on the Normandy beaches during the D-Day invasion of June 6, 1944, wrote The Washington Post. durning cinematograficos cinemafilmesclub 1923 cinemagia amelio acteur dies highland westernmovies

Pergrin warned Mills and Lary that a German armored column had been seen approaching from the southeast. Division. At around 8 a.m. on December 17, a convoy carrying Battery B, 285th Field Observation Battery, set out from Schevenutte, on the border of Germany and Belgium, on its way to St. Vith, Belgium, which was about to become a focal point of one of the great clashes in the Battle of the Bulge. a book writen by an historian, for instance) is never goven by these websites. The suggestion that it should now be considered "definitive" is laughable, given that its origins are completely spurious.139.48.25.60 (talk) 18:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply], Some insight (OR) This information isn't currently usable in the article itself, since I'm not aware of a published source that can be cited. He boxed professionally for a time, delivered telegrams and taught ballroom dancing, meeting his first wife, Carole, at an Arthur Murray studio. I hope to get some kind of interview with him that can be published in order to cite these things, but with his current condition, I'm not sure it can be accomplished. Of course all those who have writen on that massacre have emphasised one or other point of view according to their preference: som tried to whitewash the Germans others of course have pointed out how bestial they have been.

Frank Rich, then the chief drama critic for The New York Times, likened the performance to a dying volcano, in final, sputtering eruption. Cat was Mr. Durnings first Broadway hit since 1972, when he drew praise as a small-town mayor seeking re-election in That Championship Season, Jason Millers Tony-winning drama about the reunion of a high school basketball team. Anyone have any further information??? Finally, this story about Durning present at the crossroad is running on several websites since many years.

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